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So, amirm , please save us from this mystery: Do these players deliver different bits or clock speeds or jitter or “musical ether” to a DAC via USB? Does it matter if you have “good” DAC? Nango said:. Must be something between the bits, even kinda vacuum Alec Kinnear Member Forum Donor.
Joined Jan 28, Messages 63 Likes Jimbob54 said:. Then the publisher is either playing both ends against the middle or you are misunderstanding some of his utterances. But this page is pretty clear Tks said:. Can I read the paper with the tests performed? A link would be appreciated. I’d like to see how it was performed to make sure there aren’t any appreciable invalidation potentials. Those of you asking me to test this: I have.
I already owned two bit-perfect players and bought another two bit perfect and installed another open source bit perfect player to test against Audirvana. Audirvana sounded “better” but it was the only one of five or six players to sound different. All testing on OS X Measuring the difference: the difference is subtle enough the only way to measure it besides with one’s ears would be to pipe the output back into a high quality input interface and diff the files.
The difference between Audirvana and bit perfect is clearly audible. Veri said:. Sounded “better”, “clearly audible”, bla-bla-bla. Still waiting for anything other than plausible explanations Alec. So far you’ve got nothing. Yes, there are other “things” in the signal processing besides oversampling algorithms in Audirvana’s software which improve sound quality.
Feel free to try yourself with the trial period. Side to side tests with five different bit perfect players which all sound identical on 96 kHz 24 bit tracks vs Audirvana which offers heightened stereo separation stereo processing and slightly more presence a subtle boost in the mid-treble is nothing? Publisher’s own claim to improve the sound is nothing? Guys are you too indolent to open up Audirvana and compare its output with a couple of other bit perfect players through your own DAC and amplification system speaker or headphone, the effect is strong enough to hear even via speakers?
Or are you so untrusting of your own ears that you cannot do a simple AB test to check sound even against distinctly audible difference? I was looking for a player for HD files in the end I decided I don’t really care about playback of HD files, unless offered affordably streamed , trialed Amazon HD, didn’t like it, discovered and bought Primephonic for HD classical – two month free trial ; half price first year while it lasts – which I really enjoy. For pop and folk, I’ll stick to Spotify and deal with its sound limitations for now apparently hires is coming.
In fairness to Audirvana, the sweetening probably applies to CD and MP3 files as well did not thoroughly test this, thoroughly tested hires PCM and DSD , thought the sweetening probably works best with higher quality masters requires clean input. If you Veri and several others run the side by side test and come back with input which differs from mine, i.
If you also hear the same improvement I did, then it’s time for someone who is set up to record back high resolution audio bit perfectly and diff the files to test several players vs Audirvana. This test involves recording back the output of actual HD music files at at least 96 kHz 24 bit, not some test tones at It requires pro gear and the attendant expertise.
I don’t own Audirvana, my trial has expired and I’m not set up to do that high resolution recording right now so I won’t be able to do that part of the test for you. Please link us to that support thread. It was a direct customer interaction in French. Are you seriously falling back on the argument that BaaM is a liar and that his screenshot of his chat with Damien Plisson is a forgery?
No, I like to read the full context of a discussion rather than selected excerpts. Bottom line is that these programs work well to output bit-perfect audio. Beyond that, I’m happy to own both Decibel for its simplicity and flexibility in playing all kinds of formats as well as Audirvana Plus for the full feature set including DSD playback and DST decoding.
I just don’t see any evidence that they sound any different Since the software supposedly bypasses CoreAudio, I would have thought that “Integer Mode” would be an obvious given. They also talk about bit processing which is great if one has need for the SRC and dithering iZotope-based The green “INT” indicator turns on. Log in Register. Search titles only. Search Advanced search…. New posts. Search forums. Log in. Install the app. Desire to learn and share knowledge of science required as is 20 years of participation in forums not all true.
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You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser. Audible difference in players? Thread starter MediumRare Start date Oct 4, Prev 1 … Go to page. First Prev 7 of 11 Go to page. Veri Master Contributor. Joined Feb 6, Messages 8, Likes 10, Alec Kinnear said:. The publisher himself admitted to sweetening the sound. Listening tests show that Audirvana sounds “better” than other bit-perfect players.
This isn’t proof enough for you? I’m sorry if these facts shake the foundations of your orthodoxy. I’m happy that heresy is no longer punished by immolation. Click to expand Rottmannash Major Contributor Forum Donor. Guys read the thread more attentively please before barking. Damien specifically answers a customer in French, in which I’m fluent : How much more clear does it have to be? The publisher himself is claiming that he’s sweetening the signal.
Otherwise Audirvana would sound just like all the other about half a dozen bit-perfect players for OS X. I actually went to the trouble to compare them all before reaching this conclusion. Why do you think Audirvana sounds better? Because it’s more bit-perfect?
Surely you realise that bit-perfect is an absolute. I can’t find it out now, but amirm has a test graph of stereo separation for one of the DACs he tested which shows a blurry line in the middle instead of a clean one. It surprised him in an otherwise perfect measurement performance. He mentions that he did the test with Audirvana playback. I’d suggest amirm do some bit perfect playback tests between Audirvana and the applications I mentioned but Amir is a Windows lifer, considering his past.
He could test Audirvana against foobar which I also successfully tested on OS X for identical bit-perfect playback though the OS X foobar is a limited feature beta version. Oh, and my opinion, Audirvana sweetening is successful for most music.
Damien knows what his business as a coder and he’s got a good ear. Just don’t claim it’s bit-perfect. Location: NY. I dont know how many 3. Maybe the target is new customers.. JohnT , shirleyujest , Automatic Changer and 7 others like this. Location: Los Angeles. Spy Car , Apr 16, Location: Honolulu, HI. When I bought Audirvana years ago, I was told that the one-time price would be it. I paid for it thinking that I would get unlimited updates.
Then they came up with their bogus subscription service and virtually abandoned the people who bought what they thought was all they would have to pay from then on. Audirvana may be a great platform, but their approach sucked from the time they decided needed to make more money off the backs of people who originally bought their product thinking that would be all they would be paying.
Location: Akron, OH. The feature list looks underwhelming for such an expensive product. I currently use JRiver Media Center. Brudr likes this. I wonder which market that they aim now with the Origin. For sure this step alienates customers who already paid for the v3. Like literally saying thank you for your support, however we decided that we will give no more updates for you from now on. In a market with more and more people move to exclusively streaming who still need app like this?
Tinnitus Andronicus likes this. Location: San Francisco, California. I got those emails as well. Like chervokas I am using the old Audirvana and never gave a second thought to the new subscription plan. I use it solely for streaming Qobuz since the Qobuz player for Windows has always been buggy in its performance on my PC.
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I’d like to see how it was performed to make sure there aren’t any appreciable invalidation potentials. Those of you asking me to test this: I have. I already owned two bit-perfect players and bought another two bit perfect and installed another open source bit perfect player to test against Audirvana.
Audirvana sounded “better” but it was the only one of five or six players to sound different. All testing on OS X Measuring the difference: the difference is subtle enough the only way to measure it besides with one’s ears would be to pipe the output back into a high quality input interface and diff the files.
The difference between Audirvana and bit perfect is clearly audible. Veri said:. Sounded “better”, “clearly audible”, bla-bla-bla. Still waiting for anything other than plausible explanations Alec. So far you’ve got nothing. Yes, there are other “things” in the signal processing besides oversampling algorithms in Audirvana’s software which improve sound quality. Feel free to try yourself with the trial period. Side to side tests with five different bit perfect players which all sound identical on 96 kHz 24 bit tracks vs Audirvana which offers heightened stereo separation stereo processing and slightly more presence a subtle boost in the mid-treble is nothing?
Publisher’s own claim to improve the sound is nothing? Guys are you too indolent to open up Audirvana and compare its output with a couple of other bit perfect players through your own DAC and amplification system speaker or headphone, the effect is strong enough to hear even via speakers?
Or are you so untrusting of your own ears that you cannot do a simple AB test to check sound even against distinctly audible difference? I was looking for a player for HD files in the end I decided I don’t really care about playback of HD files, unless offered affordably streamed , trialed Amazon HD, didn’t like it, discovered and bought Primephonic for HD classical – two month free trial ; half price first year while it lasts – which I really enjoy.
For pop and folk, I’ll stick to Spotify and deal with its sound limitations for now apparently hires is coming. In fairness to Audirvana, the sweetening probably applies to CD and MP3 files as well did not thoroughly test this, thoroughly tested hires PCM and DSD , thought the sweetening probably works best with higher quality masters requires clean input. If you Veri and several others run the side by side test and come back with input which differs from mine, i. If you also hear the same improvement I did, then it’s time for someone who is set up to record back high resolution audio bit perfectly and diff the files to test several players vs Audirvana.
This test involves recording back the output of actual HD music files at at least 96 kHz 24 bit, not some test tones at It requires pro gear and the attendant expertise. I don’t own Audirvana, my trial has expired and I’m not set up to do that high resolution recording right now so I won’t be able to do that part of the test for you. Please link us to that support thread.
It was a direct customer interaction in French. Are you seriously falling back on the argument that BaaM is a liar and that his screenshot of his chat with Damien Plisson is a forgery? No, I like to read the full context of a discussion rather than selected excerpts. Bottom line is that these programs work well to output bit-perfect audio.
Beyond that, I’m happy to own both Decibel for its simplicity and flexibility in playing all kinds of formats as well as Audirvana Plus for the full feature set including DSD playback and DST decoding. I just don’t see any evidence that they sound any different Since the software supposedly bypasses CoreAudio, I would have thought that “Integer Mode” would be an obvious given.
They also talk about bit processing which is great if one has need for the SRC and dithering iZotope-based The green “INT” indicator turns on. As you can hear from yourself, a faint track of the music, that nulls itself out completely halfway through the track and slowly drifts back into being barely audible at the end.
According to the DiffMaker documentation, this is called sample rate drift and there is a checkbox in the settings to compensate for this drift. Rottmannash said:. I feel a reply ban coming on Forum Donor. What is a reply ban and why would it be relevant here? Technical Expert. Joined Apr 24, Messages 1, Likes 2, Last edited: Apr 7, BDWoody said:. It does annoy me though when I sometimes close it and I-Tunes has to be restarted to get Audirvana working again.
It’s about as much as I’ll spend on a plug in. But well worth the sonic upgrade for me. A bit of setting tweaks and it works practically straight out of the tin. I also upsample from J River. But if you’d seen my face when Windows Update rebooted my PC in the middle of an album I’ve trialed other players on the PC but either the UI bothered me or it was just too technical to set up.
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Digital TV Services. Forced Unsampling. Audio Signal Polarity. Extra Volume. Audio Units. I’ve already mentioned Spotify, Last. As for audio settings, VOX offers:. BS2B Crossfeed. Track Buffer. The cloud serves as the main place to keep your music and stream from it to your devices. VOX Music Cloud is an unlimited online storage. You can upload there as much music as you want. It also has no restrictions on audio formats or file’s size.
If your upload thousands of FLACs, it’s fine. You can listen to them on your iPhone and Mac. Now that we’ve learned about these players, you can try any of them and see how it goes.